Queen's University Senate Minute Book (Volume 3) 1863-1887

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" I said, 'Mr Noel, ou are impertinent. I do not want your talk'. 'Nor yours' replied Mr. Noel. "I have to request the Senate to consider this matter and to take suitable action thereon. "Respectfully submitted "(Signed) Robert Bell"

"Queen's College, Kingston 23d Feb. 1866"

The complaint having been considered; the Registrar was instructed to cite Mr Noel to appear before the Senate to answer the above complaint on Wednesday, the 28th inst. at two o'clock P.M.

The Senate then adjourned till that date.

W. Snodgrass, Principal

Queen's University, 28th Feb. 1866

This day the Senate met according to adjournment and was constituted. Present the Principal in the Chair, Professors Williamson, Mowat, Litchfield, Fowler, Bell, Maclean, Murray, Horatio Yates and Octavius Yates.

The minutes of the previous meeting were read.

[margin] Reply of Mr Noel to the complaint of Professor Bell [/margin]

Mr John V. Noel, having been called to answer the complaint of Professor Bell and offered the alternative of giving in a written answer, declared that he was perfectly satisfied with answering orally. He says that he could with a clear conscience deny the charges and have it to be proven, but considers it a more honourable and straightforward course to make his own statement of what took place, which was as follows:

"On the morning referred to in the complaint while the class was in Session, I was in my usual seat. There was some disturbance and the word "shoulder" was given. I heard Professor Bell make some remark to the class. Similar remarks were not unusual. Some minutes afterwards I heard the word "shoulder" called by some one in the immediate neighbourhood. Still reading my manual on Chemistry I almost mechanically obeyed the signal and put my right hand on my left shoulder without noise and without taking my eyes from my book. Professor Bell again stopped his lecture and called the class to witness that Mr. -

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Queen's University, 3d March 1866

This day the Senate met according to adjournment and was constituted. Present the Principal in the Chair, Professors Williamson, Horatio Yates, Octavius Yates, Lavell, Fowler, Bell, Maclean and Murray.

The Senate agreed that the following intimation should be put up on the College Buildings by Secretary of the Medical Faculty.

[margin] Measures to ensure quiet in the Buildings during Examinations [/margin]

"Perfect quietness being essential to the proper conducting of the Examinations notice is hereby given that this building is closed to all persons whatsoever not engaged in the Examinations except by special permission and that for very special reasons".

The Secretary of the Senate was instructed to write to the Demonstrator of Anatomy, that the Senate desire him to take special care that none, except those who are engaged in dissection, be admitted to the dissecting room.

[margin] Committee to draft Bylaws for the Medical Faculty [/margin]

The Senate appointed the Principal, Professors Horatio Yates, Fowler and Murray a Committee to prepare a code of By Laws with respect to the Medical Faculty, the Principal to act as chairman.

The Senate considered further the case of Mr. Noel

It was then moved by Professor Murray, seconded by Professor Fowler, That the Senate, having considered the complaint of Professor Bell against Mr. John V. Noel, B.A. and the statement of Mr. Noel in reply, find as follows:

That the language of Mr. Noel, as admitted in his own statement, is highly improper in itself, unbecoming in a Graduate and a student of Mr. Noel's standing, disrespectful to Professor Bell and his colleagues, and that it consitutes a serious act of insubordination.

Be it therefore resolved That Mr Noel be rusticated from this University for one year from this date.

It was moved as an amendment by Professor Williamson, seconded by Professor Horatio Yates, That the Senate, having further considered the matter of Professor Bell's complaint against John V. Noel

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Student of Medicine, find as follows:

That the conduct of Mr Noel in respect of the language Mr Noel admits having used, is, in the opinion of the Senate notwithstanding alleged estimations, highly improper in itself, unbecoming the character and pretensions of a student of Mr. Noel's standing, disrespectful to Professor Bell, and his Colleagues and subversive of the order which it is necessary to maintain in this institution, and that therefore the use of it constitutes a Serious act of insubordination, that, while a severer punishment than that which the Senate has resolved to pronounce is unanimously felt to be due to the offences, the Senate entertain the hope, that the [acts?] of discipline will be gained by their sentence in this case, especially as the members of the Senate are aware of Mr. Noel's good behaviour in his other classes. Upon these grounds, the Senate resolve that Mr. Noel be prevented from appearing at the ensuing primary examinations in Medicine, that he required, and is hereby required to prepare an apology satisfactory to the Senate to be read in the Chemistry class room at such time as the Senate may direct, and further that Mr Noel's right to appear as a candidate for the Degree of M.D. at the close of next session be dependent on his good behaviour during the interval.

The amendment was put and obtained four votes, the motion was put and obtained five votes. The motion was therefore declared carried, and the Registrar was instructed to communicate in writing the sentence to Mr. Noel.

The meeting closed with the benediction.

W. Snodgrass, D.D., Principal _______________________

Queen's University, 21st March 1866

This day the Senate met and was constituted. Present the Principal in the Chair, Professors Williamson, Litchfield, Fowler, Bell, Mowat, and Murray.

The minutes of the meetings held since 23rd February were read.

[margin] Oral Examination in Medicine [/margin]

The Oral examinations in Medicine were then begun. Mr Armstrong was examined and passed in the primary branches. Mr. Corbett was examined in Materia Medica and Chemistry.

The Senate then adjourned till next day at

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two o'clock P.M.

W. Snodgrass, D.D., Principal ______________________________-

Queen's University, 22nd March 1866

The Senate met according to adjournment and was constituted. Present the Principal in the Chair, Professors Kennedy, Lavell, Octavius Yates, Bell, Maclean and Fowler. In the the absence of the Registrar, Professor Fowler was chosen Secretary. Doctors Sullivan and Ross were present as examiners.

Mr. Corbett was examined in Anatomy and Institutes of Medicine. His examination, as a whole, it was unanimously agreed, was so unsatisfactory, that he could not be allowed to pass. Mr. Drysdale, Mr. Howell, Mr. J.C. Muir, Mr. D. Munro, Mr. Smith, Mr Paterson and Mr Walker were examined in the primary branches, and their appearance was such as to satisfy the Senate that they should pass.

The meeting was adjourned till next day at two o'clock P.M.

W. Snodgrass, D.D., Principal ______________________

Queen's University, 23d March 1866

This day, the Senate met according to adjournment and was constituted. Present the Principal in the Chair, Professors Horatio Yates, Lavell, Octavius Yates, Bell, Fowler and Litchfield. Dr Reeves was also present as an examiner.

The following students were examined in the final branches William Beattie, R. Danagh, H.M. Jones, P.E. Jones, C. Lake, J. Newton, R.V. Price. The examination passed by these students was satisfactory to the Senate.

The meeting was closed with the benediction.

W. Snodgrass, D.D., Principal ____________________________

Queen's University, 24th March 1866

This day, the Senate met and was constituted. Present the Principal in the Chair, Professors Mowat, Horatio Yates, Octavius Yates, Fowler, Litchfield, Kennedy, Bell, Murray, Williamson and Maclean.

The minutes of the meeting held on the twenty first

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twenty second and twenty third instant were read and sustained.

The minutes of meeting held between the twenty third day of February and the third day of March inclusive were, after amendment, sustained.

[margin] Motion to reconsider the decision in Mr. Noel's case [/margin]

It was moved by Professor Murray, seconded by Professor Horatio Yates:

It having been brought to the notice of the Senate that there is an appearance of informality in the mode of taking the vote in the case of Mr. Noel, the Senate resolves to reconsider the decision.

The motion was unanimously agreed to.

The complaint of Professor Bell and the reply of Mr Noel were again read.

It was then moved by Professor Murray seconded by Professor Fowler,

The Senate having considered the complaint of Professor Bell against Mr John R Noel, B.A. , and the statement of Mr Noel in reply, find as follows:

That the language of Mr Noel, as admitted in his own statement, is highly improper in itself, unbecoming in a graduate and a student of Mr. Noel's standing, disrespectful to Professor Bell and his colleagues, and that it constitutes a serious act of insubordination.

Be it therefore resolved, That Mr Noel be rusticated from this Univerisity for one year from the third day of March.

It was moved, as an amendment, by Professor Williamson seconded by Professor Horatio Yates. The Senate, having further considered the matter of Professor Bell's complaint against John R. Noel, Student of Medicine find as follows:

That the conduct of Mr Noel, in respect of the language Mr Noel admits having used, is, in the opinion of the Senate, notwithstanding alleged estimations, highly improper in itself, unbecoming the character and pretensions of a student of Mr Noel's standing, disrespectful to Professor Bell and his colleagues, and subversive of the order which it is necessary to maintain in this institution, and that therefore the use of it constitutes a serious act of insubordination, that, while a severer

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