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A. Varesano interviewing Anna Timko -12- 6/23/72
Tape 16-2

Our children, grandchildren, I should say, what i take - some of them just call them ?? of something. But our grandchildren gave it a name, they call it Cabbage Pizza Pie! Because there's cabbage in it. The same way, you make a dough, and after it rises, well then you take a piece of it out, and you roll it out and let it rise. Then when it rises, and you have the regular cabbage, you know, that done, and - you have to have everything cool, you can't put it in hot, because the dough would get thin and would stick to everything and you couldn't handle it. The cabbage has to be cold - and you put the cabbage in it, and then you fold it up again and let it rise again, because you won't be able to roll it out if it doesn't rise, you let it rise again, then you roll it out, and bake in the oven, it's a whole, big thing, just like a pizza pie, you know? You set it in the oven and bake it. And then you take it out, and you butter it on both sides. And that's the reason our grandchildren named it Cabbage Pizza Pie! That's a good name for it!
AV: And that's regular bread dough?
AT: Regular bread dough, yes. When I was at Joe's place, now, over Easter, in New York, and their kids are crazy about that stuff, so they were pestering me to bake for them. I said, I don't want to, because I don't know how to handle your stoves - they have electric stove, you know - so one day I did try to bake it then, and it didn't want to rise for me. Oh, it took forever, that dough, to rise! And Arlene wanted me to go out for a ride with them, she was going with a friend some place, she wanted me to go, and I said, No, Arlene, I'm not going, because this dough will rise, and will run over everything. Well, she said, if you're not going, I'm not gonna go, either! I said, Well, you just go, I said. I'm gonna stay home and take care of this. No, no. So we went. I says, Arlene, this is gonna rise and is gonna run over everything! So when she insisted on me going, so then I went and I separated it. She didn't have a big container, she just has regular pots, so then I left some in a pot, and I went and, those stainless steel bowls she has, I put some in there, and I put it on the bed in the bedrooms, downstairs. I said, I'll leave it there, it will stay covered and will be pretty warm there. We come back I don't know how many hours later, and that thing hardly budged, it didn't rise for me. I says, Arlene, it's not rising! I don't know what happened! I says, should I add more yeast? I put yeast in it like I do at home, you know, but I have the place hot when I'm baking, you know! They have the furnace, you know, so they don't use too much heat in the house. So then, was it she, or when Joe come from work, he says, Mom, heat up the oven, and turn it off, and then stick the pot into the oven. So that's waht I did, and then it rised. Well, it was getting late in the day already. So, I said, Well, I'll have to start making them. So then I started using the one out of the bowl first. Well, I rolled it out, and it was thin, but you know! Well, it was a lot of cabbage in, because it was very thin, but everybody liked it, because they said they like it thin, so it was very good. So then the next time that I was baking, Arlene and Joe weren't home, they went to Florida then, when I was baking the second time there. So I was doing it by myself. I says to the girl, I says Judy, do you know how to operate the oven? Well, she says, she doesn't do the cooking, she doesn't know much about it. The first time I was doing it, Joe was showing me, so I had some idea how to use the oven. So then, already, I put more yeast in it, and I turned up the heat in the house, and it was warm. And the boy, Michael, he's eighteen years old, he comes and says, Grandma, did you turn up the heat? I said, yes, I did, Michael, and I said Don't touch it, because I need heat in here for this thing to rise. And about three times he come after me and said Aren't you done? I says, No I'm not done. I need, still need the heat up,