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A. Varesano interviewing Anna Timko -19- 6/23/72
Tape 16-2

AT: To what?
AV: To put up your ceiling. Who were the ladies?
AT: You mean to paper it?
AV: To put up the material?
AT: Anyone! Any of the friends. Anybody would come. I used to do it with my husband, though. He and I would put it up. We used to do it ourselves.
AV: Well what kind of material - that came in yard length, or 36 inches long?
AT: Well, it depends. Usually they were 36 inch. Well then, throught that, you had to figure how much you needed for the room, the width of the material. The yardage was all right, out then you had to sew it together. Take it like you do a sheet or something else. So you had to figure it for yourself, how much you needed. Because the width of the material, well then, how many widths you needed for the whole room, and the length of it. So you had to figure out youself how many yards you needed. Sometimes sixteen, like for the living room it was sixteen, or it would be eighteen yards, it depended on the width, because some was 32 inches, some was 36 inches, it depened on the width of the material.
AV: How did you measure the shape of the ceiling?
AT: Well you didn't. No, you just, you know, measured it so long and made it so wide. So you didn't have to measure the shape of it. The width and the length of it, you know. So you had enough pieces in it, length in it, to make it wide enough. And the first piece, you would just measure it for the length. But then the others you had to, you know, add, til you had the fill width for the size of the room.
AV: And the rooms were kind of a rectangular shape, right?
AT: Well, no, but like the one in the other room, see that corner there, where you had the stairway, well that was a little difficul. Where, a straight room liek this one here, you know, square, it's not too bad, but them kind, it's more difficult.
AV: How did you do it?
AT: Well, you just had to measure out what to there, and how much you needed, you know, for one part, and then cut the others shorter.
AV: What kind of tacks did you use?
AT: Oh, some kind of short nails with a broad head on it, I don't know. Was it carpet tacks, or what it was, I don't even remember what kind they were. I think they were carpet tacks. But you had to get the longer ones, you know, because these shorter ones, this was heavy, and it would, you know, should it spin back, it would pull it out.
AV: And who held the corners? Were two people enough to hold the corners up there?
AT: Oh, no, sometimes you needed more. But if you knew how to do it, well, then you'd tack it in one corner and then the other, and maybe you could nail the one here and there, to get it on. Well then you could go to the other side already, and pull it in certain parts, and get that just here and there, and then go in between it, and get it on firm, you know, put more nails later on. But first, just enough to hold it up in space.
AV: And then, you say these things lasted about two years?
AT: Well, some people's lasted a long time, but I couldn't in my kitchen. That was my kitchen, there. I couldn't because, like I'm telling you, the flooring upstairs wasn't really firm. It was packed like I was telling you, with that little cuby-hole (cooby) that we had up there. And the breeze, you know, would be swaying it back and forth. And then, we tried to paper over the top of that. Well then, it would get too heavy, well then, it wouldn't last nearly as much. Where they didn't have that, you know, that it was just like, say, in

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