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Tape 16-1, Page 32

AV: They always cheated you?

JS: They always did. All the time cheatin'. Nobody lookin' after it.

AV: Well, who used to weigh the cars?

JS: Well, they have these , the old sixty-ton, they have different
ones, they have some hold sixty tons and some higher, and some less. Bigger
and smaller you know. So, they fill them up and then they run them through on
a scale, when they go out from under the breaker. And they could easy
find out, and have the rifght amount, buy nobody lookin' after, nothin'.

AV: What kind of union meetings did they have?

JS: Oh, you get guys that are afraid to back up, somebody make a motion to do
this, another one will get up and, No, that's no good, we'll get into trouble
and this and that, so that's a measure die out.

AV: And where would they use to meet, in the schoolhouse?

JS: In what?

AV: In the school house?

JS: Yeah, whe they had these schoolhouses they used to have meetings in the
schoolhouse. So that that used to be lots and lots of stuff.....

AV: How did they pay you? How did they check how much you got in a car when you
sent it up?

JS: Well, they, you had a ticket on your car, and then every time it come to the
dump shanty where they dumped the car, they took that ticket off. Then on
the end of the two weeks rthey took all them tickets and they, they marked
every day how much went out this day for you, how much that day, but then
they used to dock, dock from them cars that you loaded, they'd say they were
slight, you know, or this or that. They used to dock. Well one time from the
beginning they were dock' heavy. Sometimes you would load five cars, you
would get two, they wold dock three, and there you are.

AV: What's docking?

JS: They'd take and you woldn't get paid for that many. They'd say that only
two was good and the rest was no good