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Tape 16-1, page 38

why he has sons that are lawyers and they're pushin' and the state if
pushin' wirth that, that's the government. They're have the case, and now
lookit, when they started off they just had that Ghilly and two more guys
and Ghilly's wife, the murderers. Now already there'w about seven, eight,
nine, ten of them already.

AV: It really sounds like the Mollies doesn't it?

JS: So now, now they're gettin' more and the cases are goin' on, they're gettin'
more of them that were in that. And they still don't know who the hell is
the man that furnished the money for that murderer. The guy that, he's
sentenced to death already, first degree, and he says that the man that give
him money is, he don't know gave, only his name is Tony, but he won't say
what Tony or who, you know. Maybe it is Tony Boyle himself. Because where
the hell did they get the money. They got the money out of the United States
Treasury--United Miner's Treasure. That's where the money come from! But
that was a hell of a trick to do, go and shoot women. Now is that something.
I wouldn't say if they shot the man, well he had some kind of grudge, you know,
but what the hell did the two women do? They were in bed yet at that, sleepin'
in bed, no? So that's the kind of a guy they got, when they go and do that.
Now them guys that shot him, you can blame them guys, the instigators, that
got them and give the the money ad planned all of this out for them, you know.
I blame them more than the guys that done it. Because if they wouldn't have
got them to do it, they wouldn't have done it. But they got them up to do it
and paid them and all. That's a nasty.... It's a terrible world!

AV: Well....I know. I'd better go have some lunch! What do you think, before
Helen....Helen is wondering what.....

JS: Helen will give you the sack!

AV: Or else she'll feed me mashed potatoes and sour milk all week!

JS: Did you see the sun popped out today? It just popped a little bit and then
went back.