Notes

Collection: French of Outremer

User	Note	Page	Work	Collection	Time
MBrunsdon	This page is not Blank, can it be re-opened?	3	BNF ms fr 12207	French of Outremer	over 3 years ago
rbraasch-oldfordham	For the gloss: banera, baneria, banerium [OF banere] banner, standard. DMLBS. http://clt.brepolis.net.avoserv2.library.fordham.edu/dmlbs/pages/QuickSearch.aspx	f. 192 r	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	about 5 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	et l'osent ataindre: this phrase is difficult to render, in part because the manuscripts of the Livre au roi disagree about whether the verb is "atendre" (to remain, wait) or "atteindre" (to reach, overtake). In the former case, it would seem say that the	f. 166r	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 5 years ago
rbraasch-oldfordham	sodoier also compares with home lige. Both could be paid but if you're paid and not a home lige whether a knight or a sergent, then that may make you a mercenary.	f 162r	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 5 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	Greimas, Ed. Larosse 2004, 96. Chamoir "un maladie de cheveaux"	f. 163v	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 5 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	We need to check second citation from scripture. Is it Ps. 51:3?	Page 444	Livre de Geoffroy le Tort	French of Outremer	over 5 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	note	Page 441	Livre de Geoffroy le Tort	French of Outremer	almost 6 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	The distinction between cop aparant and force aparant is difficult to ascertain/ understand. Whether we are talking about collective (that is rebellion) or individual actions is unknown.	Page 441	Livre de Geoffroy le Tort	French of Outremer	almost 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	XXII. Force aparant. This is glossed by Edbury as "An act of violence that is notorious or self evident, so there can be no dispute over whether an offense has been committed." In this context, however, especially in its proximity to "cop aparant" and the	Page 441	Livre de Geoffroy le Tort	French of Outremer	about 6 years ago
JunkyPerson-oldfordham	test-old-fordham	2	BNF ms fr 12207	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
BJPReilly-oldfordham	lei de Rome as "Roman rite" or too modern?	untitled page 10	Livre de Jacques d'Ibelin	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	The fief granted only for the beneficiaries lifetime (chapter XXX) has analogues in the West, and maybe particularly by this time in southwest Francia, and may be related to forms of "precaria" granted there from church properties.	untitled page 9	Livre de Jacques d'Ibelin	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
rbraasch-oldfordham	encheu: encheoir? p256 Old French Dictionary: fall, succumb, yield, fail, go back on, retract, break (promise), e. de (legal) be non-suited, have one's demands rejected.	untitled page 8	Livre de Jacques d'Ibelin	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	ligece = we translated it as allegiance in chapter III, but this seems more specifically to refer to liege homage. We can give both option in the glossary?	untitled page 4	Livre de Jacques d'Ibelin	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	Champ des champions; we think this is a facility for trial by battle; also, could just a tournament field.	untitled page 3	Livre de Jacques d'Ibelin	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	CCLVXI: metre su - this might be an antecedent to mettre sus, found elsewhere in the corpus, meaning "to accuse"	untitled page 24	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	CCLXII. Now we're not sure if "ne mains que" can mean "unless". If it can, the we think that the meaning is not as above, but that the individual should fight all those except the lord (in person: lit. the body of the lord) or another person to whom he h	untitled page 24	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	CCXXX. "Franches femes" here may refer to widows who are beyond marriageable age or who otherwise are not expected to remarry.	untitled page 22	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	CCXXXI. Our translation of this chapter assumes that the author is speaking of "three baronies" of the kingdom. According to John of Ibelin, the kingdom consisted of four chief baronies, including Jaffa and Ascalon together with the lordships of Ramla, Mi	untitled page 22	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	CCXIV. Liege homage should probably be glossed as a technical concept.	untitled page 21	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	CCV. Following the logic of the former note, the "nouviaus [fiés]" would then be the fiefs newly formed from the larger baronial fiefs.	untitled page 20	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	CCIV. To Hans Mayer, the "anciens fiés" (mentioned in John of Ibelin chapter 155) are the "great fiefs" presumably the major baronial fiefs of the kingdon.	untitled page 20	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	CXCVI "Deus houmes pour un" . The meaning is unclear, but especially given the nature of the following chapter, it would seem that the idea is that fiefs established for one holder cannot be held by two.	untitled page 19	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	From CLXXXIX onwards, we hear of the "fief de conquest" or acquired fief (as distiguished from the hereditary fief).	untitled page 19	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
BJPReilly-oldfordham	CLXXXVIII: https://books.google.com/books?id=EEotAAAAYAAJ&lpg=RA1-PA90&ots=e71w8HaIUD&dq=%22l'en%20prendra%20%C3%A0%20tous%20luy%22&pg=RA1-PA90#v=onepage&q=%22l'en%20prendra%20%C3%A0%20tous%20luy%22&f=false	untitled page 19	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	CLXXXVI The "gift" of a fief from one man to another, and the king's inquiry into whether this gift should involve service may suggest a mechanism for preventing (illicit) sub-infeudation.	untitled page 19	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	"Sans clamour" if intended to mean "the alarm" (of hue and cry) would imply a freedom from obligations by the petitioner.	untitled page 18	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
amanda.nerbovig@colorado.edu-oldfordham	Doug's note here!	untitled page 18	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	These were translated twice on this page- these are the second renderings. CLVI. No pledge should be sold on the day of a great and celebrated feast. CLVII. All pledges should be promoted and exchanged in town or in the places where it is generally	untitled page 16	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	CXXXV: We think that the second part of the phrase suggests the physical presence of the husband, though his physical presence is assumed, not stated.	untitled page 15	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	CXXVIIII "descouvert" gives the sense of "expose" as one would with relics.	untitled page 15	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	CVIII We understand that the "body" here is the body of the murder or homicide victim.	untitled page 15	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	over 6 years ago
BJPReilly-oldfordham	AVANTAGE as privilege. Equality before obligation.	untitled page 15	La Clef des Assises	French of Outremer	almost 7 years ago
amanda.nerbovig@colorado.edu-oldfordham	We are keeping "banier" in the Old French, following Riley-Smith in The Feudal Nobility and the Kingdom of Jerusalem, 1174-1277. Hamden, CT: Archon Books, 1973, 87.	f. 192 r	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	about 7 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	We had a problem with this phrase: Ici orres la raison dou bagner et de sa semostre quil force elle a sonne fait ce quil leor dist de par le roi; see reading above, or, Here you will hear the rule concerning the bannier of the king and the summons	f. 192 r	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	about 7 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	We are confused by the lending and borrowing parties. Check on this next time.	f. 191 r	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	about 7 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	we need a good translation of garans. Still an issue.	f. 185v	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
rbraasch-oldfordham	meschiet? translated as escheat, but perhaps mescheance? a misfortune	f. 183v	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
smcdougall-oldfordham	I think fornication is best because the term can be used for a range of different kinds of variously naughty relationships, more or less scandalous.	46	BSB_Cod._Gall._51_Livre_au_Roi	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
rbraasch-oldfordham	Translation not complete as 18FEB18	f. 174v	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
rbraasch-oldfordham	Dr. Paul's note: "oures" line 6 is rendered in the other manuscript as "houmes" ("men"). It is not clear whether this tradition could carry forward the meaning of the sentence with some other meaning attached to "oures" (works, bears, lucky ones).	f. 174v	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	The translation we have given here for "port" is port, but we think it could have something to do with weights and measures, or portage, or tonnage, or rights to convey. This is something to investigate.	f. 166v	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	translation of this chapter http://falcon.arts.cornell.edu/prh3/259/texts/confisc.html	f. 166v	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	morreale3 9 months ago il fust ou terrier ou autre: does this mean a native born person, or just a member of the landed aristocracy?	f. 166v	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	restor: a glossary term?	f. 164r	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	According to the Anglo-Norman Dictionary: farcy "is a disease of animals, esp. horses" http://www.anglo-norman.net/gate/index.shtml?session=SSGB29065T1493342032 lmorreale3 According to Greimas, chamoire is a "maladie des chevaux." He cites the Assis	f. 163v	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	AdamBishop "ou de iiii bestes" could have a word that is meant to be deleted, instead of "four beasts" (a word with dots above or below sometimes indicates a deletion in this manuscript).	f. 163r	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	AdamBishop Godefroy's dictionary has an explanation about "restor" as it is used in the Assizes of Jerusalem: “Se disait particulièrement de la restitution que le roi faisait des chevaux perdus à son service, et de la somme qui était assignée dans les	f. 162v	Livre au Roi - BSB Cod.gall. 51	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
npaul-oldfordham	puterie- how strong or specific a definition applies here?	46	BSB_Cod._Gall._51_Livre_au_Roi	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago
lmorreale3-oldfordham	leust = we cannot find a definition; we think it might be veust	44	BSB_Cod._Gall._51_Livre_au_Roi	French of Outremer	over 7 years ago